Flexible New Deal: Q&A
Flexible New Deal questions with answers
- Am I required to provide my Driving Licence, Passport, Medical Card or Birth Certificate and Signing on Booklet?
- Can I choose the jobs I want to apply for or can my Flexible New Deal Provider dictate what jobs I must apply for?
- How long will Flexible New Deal last?
- What criteria of eligibility is there for Jobseekers on Flexible New Deal?
- What is a warm handover process?
- What personal information will the Flexible New Deal provider get from Jobcentre Plus?
- What will I be paid to do the Mandatory Work Related Activity?
- Will my Flexible New Deal Provider refund my travel costs?
Am I required to provide my Driving Licence, Passport, Medical Card or Birth Certificate and Signing on Booklet?
Answer:
They are contractually obliged to check the person they are speaking to is the claimant through all methods of communication (such as on the telephone) and at the start prior to your first interview.
A photo Driving Licence, Passport, Medical Card or Birth Certificate are good methods to determine your identity. The problem is most Flexible New Deal providers wont stop there and validate you but will request a copy of such sensitive documents (this is done without your consent).
You are within your rights to refuse such ID and do a verbal test.
They will ask you questions such as:
* Your full name
* Your full address and postcode
* A contact telephone number
* Your National Insurance number
* Your 3 job areas on your Jobseeker Agreement (JSAg)
* Your last 2 jobs
This is the information they have received from Jobcentre Plus. If you can get it correct (rather basic stuff really) then within a few seconds you will be validated and they will not have the opportunity to store copies of your identity.
Can I choose the jobs I want to apply for or can my Flexible New Deal Provider dictate what jobs I must apply for?
Answer:
The definition of “reasonable” is subject to the local labour market. Hours are unreasonable if they aren’t fulltime – these are subject to your circumstances (commitments and responsibilities) such as if you have caring responsibilities, children to pick up from school etc. Type of work and location subject to your Jobseekers Agreement (JSAg).
Your Flexible New Deal provider should allow you opportunity at the start of the scheme to try YOUR existing job goals with their support. They shouldn’t suggest new routes and other jobs at such stage.
You shouldn’t be forced to apply for unsuitable jobs at any time. Remember to claim Jobseekers Allowance (JSA) you only need to do a minimum of 3 steps per week – for each week you attend your Flexible New Deal provider (whether it is a contact meeting with your adviser, training course, interview, job search or informal meeting with employer engagement manager) that is one step. You are seeking professional jobs advice or support after all. If you have multiple different types of appointments at your Flexible New Deal provider you can count them as different steps. It is best not to rely on them solely… you could be deemed as seeking employment but accused of NOT “actively seeking employment”.
As a general rule of thumb out of the 3 minimum steps – for weeks when you attend Flexible New Deal you should make sure you have 2 steps that aren’t related to Flexible New Deal (such as looking on Jobcentre Plus website, looking at a newspaper, jobpoints etc.) even if you have a few Flexible New Deal steps that exceed the minimum of 3 steps requirement.
How long will Flexible New Deal last?
Answer:
Source: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance – Section 01 – An Introduction to the Flexible New Deal, p.4 para 1.28
The Flexible New Deal
1.28. The Flexible New Deal, spans month 13 to month 24/ 30 of the customer’s JSA claim (or month seven to 18/24 for those fast-tracked).
What criteria of eligibility is there for Jobseekers on Flexible New Deal?
Answer:
As far as an Flexible New Deal provider is concerned the eligibility criteria is as follows:
Source: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance – Section 01 – An Introduction to the Flexible New Deal, p.1 para 1.8
1.8. Customers claiming JSA must:
• be available for employment
• have a reasonable chance of finding work in relation to:
o the kind of work they are willing to do;
o where they are willing to work; and,
o the hours they are willing to work.
• be capable of work;
• have a current Jobseeker’s Agreement (JSAg); and,
• be actively seeking employment.
What is a warm handover process?
Answer:
This is very rare… it gives you the chance to find out about who your adviser will be and to get a date for the initial interview instead of having to wait weeks and receive it through the post.
This arrangement is set through local level. As far as Flexible New Deal Scandal is aware this hasn’t happened so far under Phase 1 of Flexible New Deal (Stage 4).
Source: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance – Section 02 – Customer Referrals Starts and Allotted Time, p.1 para 2.5
2.5. Please Note: You may, where your delivery model supports it, request the implementation of a ‘warm’ handover process. This will involve contact between JCP, yourselves and the customer at the pre-provision interview giving you the opportunity to inform customers of their initial meeting. This arrangement should be developed between yourselves and JCP at a local level.
What personal information will the Flexible New Deal provider get from Jobcentre Plus?
Answer:
(1) Flexible New Deal providers will not be aware of what your disability is (if any). Providers will see “Person With Disability (PWD)” through referral and you have to notify them of the specific details. Flexible New Deal providers should consult with you to ask if any additional arrangements are applicable for your initial interview and subsequent interviews.
(2) An “incident with Jobcentre Plus” is any threatening or aggressive behaviour (perhaps alleged), any actual assault (regardless of injury) to a member of staff or family member, any attempt to commit an assault, any stalking of a member of staff, any threat of violence (including via writing or on the phone) or any person who suffers from a severe mental illness and a qualified medical practitioner or social worker informs that they are likely to pose a danger to staff (regardless if no actual previous incident has occured).
Your Flexible New Deal provider doesn’t receive a copy of your CV, Jobseekers Allowance claim history, previous Action Plans, customer notes, previous jobs applied for or your Jobseekers Agreement (JSAg). Although not listed below, your Flexible New Deal Provider receives details of your 3 job goals and previous periods of employment (italic above) as is used in proving you are the claimant.
Source 1: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance – Section 02 – Customer Referrals Starts and Allotted Time, p.4 para 2.13
2.13. In addition to the referral you will also receive customer information from the customer’s JCP action plan. Held within the referral you will receive the following customer information:
• full name (including title);
• National Insurance Number;
• address;
• a contact telephone number and alternate contact number (if available);
• the date of referral;
• if the referral is for a mandatory or non mandatory customer;
• remaining allotted time;
• if the customer has fulfilled their Mandatory Work Related Activity (MWRA) period requirement (Further information regarding the MWRA period can be found in: Section 06 – The Mandatory Work Related Activity period);
• notification if a customer has informed JCP that they have a disability (Please Note: You will be notified that the customer is a Person With Disability (PWD) but you will not be notified what the disability is. PWD customers may require special arrangements when you meet with them (Further information regarding Additional Support can be found in: Section 4 – Provision, Childcare and Additional Support);
• notification if a customer has informed JCP of childcare requirements;
• the customer’s signing arrangements and pattern of attendance;
• notification if a customer has had an incident recorded while working with JCP (further information on incidents can be requested by contacting JCP) (Further information regarding requesting incident information can be found in: Section 10 – Notifications and Changes in Circumstance);
• If the customer is a Welsh language speaker;
• details of the customer’s JCP personal adviser including the customers JCP office code;
• notification if a customer has entered the Supported jobsearch stage of JRFND due to being fast-tracked (customers with a history of claiming benefit (22 of the last 24 months on JSA), or, 18 year olds who have been continuously out of employment, education or training for six months prior to making a claim to benefit or subsequently (If on receiving this information you wish to clarify the reason for the customer being fast tracked, you should contact their JCP office);
• notification if a customer has entered the Supported jobsearch stage of JRFND early.
Source 2: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance – Section 10 – Notifications and Changes in Circumstance, p.2 para 10.10 (In regards to element 2 above)
10.10. An incident is where a customer:
• has committed an actual physical assault on a member of staff, regardless of injury;
• has committed an actual physical assault on a member of staff’s family, if it can be demonstrated that it is directly connected to the member of staff’s work in the Department;
• has attempted to commit a physical assault;
• stalked a member of staff (which is defined as “the wilful, malicious and repeated following and harassing of another person”);
• suffers from a severe mental illness and a qualified medical practitioner or social worker informs that they are likely to pose a danger to staff ;
• has made a threat of violence either face to face, over the phone or in writing; or,
• has displayed threatening or aggressive behaviour.
What will I be paid to do the Mandatory Work Related Activity?
Answer:
When you attend Flexible New Deal provider more than 16 hours a week or are on a work placement you are transfered to an “Training Allowance” to relax the Jobseekers Allowance conditions (otherwise you wouldn’t be Available for Work).
There will not be any training (despite the name – apart from perhaps a brief Health and Safety induction) – a Training Allowance is an established type of benefit with less conditions than Jobseekers Allowance.
A Training Allowance will be paid at your full Jobseekers Allowance rate.
You will be able to claim travel costs but these are typically reimbursed afterwards.
Will my Flexible New Deal Provider refund my travel costs?
Answer:
When a Flexible New Deal participant is attending the premises of Flexible New Deal Provider (activities/courses, contact meetings etc.) it is the Flexible New Deal Provider’s responsibility to ensure the Flexible New Deal participant can attend either by reimbursement/pre-payment of travel costs or providing transport.
Travel costs must be reasonable. You cannot request a taxi – you must use the cheapest form of public transport. You may reclaim mileage costs if you drive. You are expected in most cases to walk up to 30 minutes each way if public transport doesn’t stop close to your home or to the premises you are attending.
Source: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance: Section 04 – Provision Childcare and Additional Support, p.12 para 4.83 and 4.84
Travel expenses for FND activities
4.83. When a customer is attending FND activities (including your customer meetings), it is your responsibility to ensure the customer can attend either providing transport or funding the customers travel costs.
4.84. Please Note: travel expenses you disburse are included within the overall funding received from DWP as part of the overall contract price and is not in addition to the contract price.
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To request/suggest a new Answer and Question – feel free to leave a comment below. I’ll do my best to answer and cite sources to justify it.
It states in FND Provider guidance that the onus is on the provider to ensure that the customer thats me turns up by providing transport or trvael costs.
Can you clarify If I got a lift of say a parent or friend should they pay my travel to the office calculated on mileage. For instance4 miles total journey should they be entitled to claim for that. Or does it only include busses and trains
Most providers will refuse to pay indirect costs of travel. In this case relatives and friends.
Whether or not they made the journey exclusively to drop you off or diverted to drop you off on an existing journey its unlikely they will cough up travel reimbursement.
If you talk to your provider, they may at their discretion decide to pay for it. If you approach it from the angle of “I could” rather than “I do”… i.e. “I could persuade someone to drop me off if I pay petrol and it will be cheaper than public transport”.
If you travel costs via this method is more than public transport then you are likely unable to.
It is also important to notice it should be reasonable to your circumstances. Thus if public transport isn’t frequent enough then more expensive travel (car/taxi) is acceptible – but not for convenience (buses every 2 hours would be unreasonable, a bus every hour might be reasonable). This also includes the bus route: if a car can take 10-15 minutes to get there, an hour bus journey would likely be unreasonable.
If the Jovcentre was moved from a very local position and moved 4 miles away am I able to claim costs to the DSS as well
Q&A for Flexible New Deal only!
You can claim travel if you attend a different jobcentre than the one you sign on with. If it moves… then you are unlikely to get travel unless in extreme circumstances at a manager’s discretion.
I have heard people moaning about local jobcentres closing and being made to travel quite long distances to sign on and for New Deal appointments… they didn’t get travel reimbursed for signing on appointments although the New Deal were reimbursed.
Hi FND Does this include disabled people ?
If you have a disability and such disability is significant (i.e. bus not wheelchair accessible – excuse the general example) where you can’t reasonably use public transport, alternative transport such as car/taxi is perfectly fine.
Technically, they have to provide (transport), pay for or reimburse travel costs to ensure your attendance. That is, if you refuse to public transport they have to pay for a taxi. They are responsible should you not be able to attend financially.
However, the tricky bit is they can either sanction you for failing to attend or if you have attended… refuse to reimburse your costs. Another technical issue is, it clearly states “ensure the customer can attend” – if you have attended but are out of pocket for your expenses it could be understood that you were able to attend thus no reimbursement of costs.
This isn’t law just a contractual guidance. The unwritten policy (although sure DWP/JCP have it in writing) is costs have to be reasonable (explained below). Reimbursement is optional (to an extent) – its a common feature but NOT a right.
A blackhat Flexible New Deal Provider could refuse to reimburse your travel so when you can’t afford your next appointment/interview you will get a sanction for non-attendance. Sanctions are automatic and Jobcentre Plus is likely to side with the provider.
Rule of thumb:
[Flexible New Deal Participants with a car]
Can get reasonable mileage reimbursed (“reasonable” means you can’t make a false claim of triple the actual mileage or incorporate your subsequent travel costs of shopping etc. just because you went after your appointment (although you can claim a reasonable amount of that))
[Flexible New Deal Participants without a car/license]
In order of being “reasonable” (circumstances can make you go down the list)
1. On Foot (Walk) – most providers will let you claim bus fare without much problems unless you are taking the piss
2. Bus
3. Train (including Bus for journey between home, train station and provider premises)
4. Taxi
does the providers sub contract have to follow the FND course to the letter.
Does the FND Subcontractor in my case Beacon need to have me called in every two weeks. And is the 4 week work introduction scheme apply here also
Also when does My sentence end. The day I was refered to A4E or the Day I 3was refered to Beacon
Well done FND, you have identified their weak spot!
“4.84. Please Note: travel expenses you disburse are included within the overall funding received from DWP as part of the overall contract price and is not in addition to the contract price”.
If jobseekers on FND visit their provider just to use the job search facilities in addition to scheduled appointments and then claim travel expenses for those additional visits this will eat into their profit margin. And if enough people make one extra visit every week/fortnight it could have a significant impact because the providers never budgeted for this!http://www.flexible-new-deal.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Gerry, Flexible New Deal providers should also pay out for weekly activities they require you to do or suggest you to do.
If they request you (for example) to use jobpoints once a week (at Jobcentre Plus) – they should be paying for the cost even though its not at their premises or an activity run by them. It is part of their “flexible” delivery of the programme thus the Service Fee and potential outcome element are used to fund such activities. The payment they are receiving is for their “professional” tailored help of your needs – if they insist (or force) you to do it then you are entitled to travel payments for it.
I can’t guarantee anything as its highly likely they will try and wriggle out of it. If on your Action Plan or if you receive a Jobseeker Direction (JSD) (anything in writing) telling you to do certain job activity then you should be reimbursed the costs.
Music to my ears, FND. I’d be up for it if was possible to galvanize 100s of others across the UK to do the same!
Flexible thats wrong. they don’t suggest they intimidate the hell out of you to do what they say. you imply it is a democracy when actually it is adictatorship
Whats the idea behind a DL56 FORM ?
What is a DL56 form? lol
Source: http://employment.practicallaw.com/4-203-9089
Hope this helps.
The benefits system has supposedly got all 0845 numbers now. Shouldn’t this include A4E which has a responsibility to it’s patrons. The reason I ask this I was complaing to deborah waite of the chief executives office of A4E and she said she urges me to contact a mobile phone.
Could we have a leaderboard of shame. The companies that openly take on these placements time and time again to help substitue the need for real workers.
what I mean by that is companies that take these placements from FND and typically take someone every four weeks.
I hope you get what i am tyring to say
Could you also setu a facebook page as wlll
Health & Safety question. The DWP has summoned me to go to third party provider. It is far out of the way. If I trip or fall during travel who is liable.
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I am not goingthere of free will I have to go there. So should I be legally obliged to report any accident I may have. I.E I am visually impaired and have low blood pressure which means I have dizzy spells. If yes who do I report it to the DWP or the fnd contractor
4 Week workplacement. who pays for the travels costs is it the provider or the workplace.
Provider. I am sure the provider will allow the employer (if they agree) to cover the costs – which isn’t a problem. If the provider says the employer and the employer says the provider – its the provider – they must ensure you can arrive there.
Sorry for using employer – you are right! “Workplace”
In every system lies abuse-from all quarters.One quarter may very well be the “workplaces”, using unemployed people as free labour on a repetitive basis.It is the duty of the remaining quarters to monitor them and, should there be evidence of this abuse, introduce severe financial sanctions to the “Employer”.This may just create an actual job!The problem is that without such workplaces, where would those who cannot arrange their own Work Experience go? The fact is that there are many more benefits to attending Workplaces than negatives: Getting back into a routine, feeling positive about yourself, learning new/updated skills, having a current source of reference, eliminating gaps in employment history and, even if there is only a slight chance of being retained, can you afford to deny yourself this chance? I think not.